Greg Messer. Dont know how you can say Hackler was in poor condition. I played it round 2 and shot an even par 72. You played it 2 days later and shot 83 and we have similar handicaps. Perhaps you just didnt hit as many fairways as me. Dont know if you are aware or not but if your ball misses the fairway, it ends up on the section of the course defined as ROUGH. Its not called Smooth and perfect lie, its called ROUGH. Maybe that is where you can to the conclusion it was in poor condition. Definitely not saying that you fall into this category, but many golfers use the poor condition excuse to justify their poor play. …. Just saying.