How to collect skins when tee times are so early.

[Ken Weatherford]

I am running skins for flights 42 and 43. However, since the tee times basically start at 7:30 and go for about an hour and a half, how do I notify all people that want to get into skins that they must show up at least half hour to an hour before the first tee time on Monday?

Do you have a contact list?

Thanks!

[Jeffrey Topp]

My big question is, if WA doesn’t participate in skins then who collects the scores to determine who wins skins?

In past tournaments I’ve played, whoever hands out the scorecards will collect money for skins. But I’m new to this event and have no idea how it works.

[Ken Weatherford]

Actually, we have designated people that do skins for the flights who is a flight player. In this case, it is the volunteer to run skins for that particular flight. In my case, I volunteered to run them and I would collect skins money from those that want to get into skins. World Am staff have no involvement in flight skins, at all. So, the key is that everyone, before play, know exactly who the person is running skins and that they are a flight player.

[Ken Weatherford]

Jeffrey, at any time, any skins admin should be willing and able to show any player who won skins, on what hole, and how much.

[jt foster]

I haven’t had any problems with getting most everyone’s skin money on Monday Just be there 30 minutes before 1st tee time and find you a partner that will help you if you have the earlier tee time . I’ve have been doing skins for 19 years there and I’ve got friends that will help if I need !!!!!

[Jeffrey Topp]

Ken – Right. I’m just curious though, having never played the event before, did WA admin collect scorecards at the end of the day? If so, how do they get them to skins admin to determine who wins skins?

[jt foster]

They need to take a photo of there official score card and show to you by 6:00 pm that day with Birdies circled signed card by all 4 players!!!!
Everyone has a cell phone

• This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by jt foster.

[Tom McCain]

The official scorecard only has room for two signatures (technically). And we must recognize that the pro shops need cards in ASAP to score and relate to WA. A course card should do the trick. I always keep a personal card anyway to mark my FH, GIR, and number of putts. Do we have any idea how spaced out the tee times will be? From the first to last? With this many player’s and two flights, it’s got to be spread out a bit.

[Ken Weatherford]

Absolutely not, Tom. Too many people cheat with personal course cards. I caught one guy changing his scorecard prior to submitting to pro shop, so that he could collect skins.

If folks don’t want to take five minutes to submit their scores before the card is turned in to the pro shop, or you cannot text the card image to me, then I suggest folks don’t get into skins. It is not an imposition to take a few minutes to get your score for skins if you want to collect the money. As I said, a photo can be taken and texted (with all signatures on the card). It is also not illegal to have more than two signatures on the card. It is just important that player and the attester sign in the correct place, but even then no one has ever been DQ’d for having it in the wrong place. In fact, the staff has no idea whether it is your signature or not.

The tee times will be either 7 or 10 minutes apart. So figure in about an hour and a half to two hours, give or take.

[Ken Weatherford]

Jeffrey, the official card is typically showed to the skins admin, prior to turning it in to the pro shop. World Am staff do not typically collect them. It is usually course staff.

[Ken Weatherford]

Ok, I have to confess. I have a solution for skins games that will notify everyone in advance, but we would have to notify everyone this year to apply online later this year or next.

I have a website that tracks golf tournaments and skins, by flight, etc. It is set up for Individual Stroke Play (Alpha, Ordinal, and Gender/Age tournaments), Best (Better) Ball, Alternating Shot, and Scramble. We are planning to at Match Play later this year.

It tracks all gross/net skins games and both, in case you want to run both in the same tournament or flight. Each person that uses it as a tournament/skins admin would have to do a little work to set it up, but from there, you can have the players pay early, either by credit card or PayPal. I can provide credit card/paypal services for you, or you can use your own solutions.

The one-month plan is $29.95. If half the field gets into skins (50 people from 100 in two flights), you would only require 60 more cents to pay for the service. The site is in its final beta testing stage, and it will definitely be ready for next year’s World Am. The site is TournamentSkins.com and I own it. It has been a project in the making for the last two plus years, because I found that no online software provider that I know of provides skins by flight, with unlimited skins entries.

If you ever want to run tournaments, my site is the most comprehensive available (complete with admin videos), and it is the only software app that will do the entire World Am skins, if needed. I will have an Apple Store app available for iPhone and Android for real-time scoring as they are posted.

I also plan to set up a forum (chat) space, similar to the World Am Bulletin Board, and we can keep our conversations totally out of the WAM Bulletin Board environment. I think some people on this bulletin board get miffed when we have so many topics on skins…Yes, even Scott Ward.

Let me know what you think. For those of you that would like to help me beta test the software, I will give you free use of the app for next year’s World Am, or a lifetime membership for the first 5 admins that sign up to beta test the app. You can either text me, or call, or email (ken_weatherford2004@yahoo.com), and I will tell you all about beta test and what I need you to do.

Thanks!

Ken

[Scott T. – World Am]

Ken – if that is directed at me, Scott Tomasello, yes, I do get upset when you spam our bulletin board on 20 different topics for now what appears to be your personal gain. I have no problem if other people communicate for their own games on their own topics.

Since your website says to ‘visit us at the World Am’, a little reminder you can advertise your company by getting a booth at the 19th Hole, not spamming the BB or whatever you intended to advertise at the 19th hole.

For the immediate, I have removed all your copy/pasted posts on all the other topics. If you do so again for business purpose we will remove you from the BB. Thank you.

[Ken Weatherford]

No problem, Scott. First of all, I didn’t have twenty other topics. I requested solutions for running skins in a tee-time environment. I will not promote my site from the bulletin board anymore. No problem there. I would like to ask where you were when pre-skins games before were for-profit events for so many years, despite the fact they’re gone now. You guys didn’t do anything then and allows promotion on the bulletin board.

Anyway, I am clear on what can and cannot be posted here. From now on, I am out. I will run the skins for our flights this year, but never again, unless I get a booth. It’s too much trouble, and I was only trying to get skins completely out of the bulletin board all together. What does a small booth cost? I may consider it next year.

I do have one more question. Do the World Am folks (or the sponsors) run the tournament for profit? Or are you a non-profit organization? Just wondering. No offense intended.

[Scott T. – World Am]

$600 for a booth. Those games are mostly gone because the tournament is operated as a non-profit. So we began to run them ourselves at cost.

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