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Bob I understand what you are saying. However back to my point there are only two ways to control the quality of the courses, There are not three options. So which one do you propose?
I am okay with limiting the feild, raise the price and limit the field to the first 2,500. The value of the tournament increases when you turn people away. Just like the restaurant you can’t get a reservation for, it makes you want to go even more. I would pay an extra fifty if I knew I was going to play four great courses. Now you can control where you play.
We have to play the bad ones because if you drop one you have to replace it with another. There are only so many premium courses willing to give us four days. So option two, increase the entry fee and pay the courses more so they want us there because they make money on us. Increase the entry fee so you can pay the courses more and you have the money to pay four premium courses.
The reason why many courses don’t have any attendants, and we have to pay for range balls is because we are getting a nice discount at many courses to play there. The fee for those lesser quality courses balance the course budget with the cost for premium courses. Consequently there is no money for any normal frills. (Like free range balls) The WA is the only golf tournament I play in where I pay for range balls.
Rick I usually go late in the day but I have never had to deal with a customer limit inside the store and six feet spacing in the line. I can easily see the line to get inside stalled till some people leave, Disneyworld type lines maintaining six foot spacing. May not happen but it would not surprise me either as I have seen unbelievable lines out side waiting to get in a store because of customer limits.
Bob I play 30+ tournaments a year, I could play more but some host courses don’t fit my game, others just don’t excite me (quality or distance). When you play a tournament on four different courses your options to control the quality of the courses are limited.
1. Limit the number of players, thereby limiting the number of courses.
2. Increase the entry fee to increase your leverage with the “best” courses.
Those are the only two options you have to control the quality of the courses you play.I just anticipate I am going to play one “dog” a year and know the other three are going to be more fun.
Bob 2500 golfers, 36 per flight means we need 35 courses
3200 golfers, 46 per flight equals a need for 35 courses
Nothing changes, regarding quality, you never burn a bridge like that because you never know when you might need them. I always plan on playing one course I would never play under normal circumstances, but I understand it’s value to the tournament.
Don’t we normally have 46 – 48 players per flight?
Normally 65 flights, so about 33 players per flight
Using tee times and one player per cart I think the flight size would be reduced
If we stick with 65 flights, 30 – 36 players per flight we are going to need the same amount of courses as we ever have
Landis ignore that comment it was poor math. Normally with 3,200 golfers the WA would require a total of 1,600 carts with two golfers per cart. With one person per cart the WA will need 2,150 carts. Where i was going (but never got there) is that this year we will actually need more carts than a normal year so we will need every bit as many if not more courses than we would in a normal year
Bob I would be willing to bet we end up with the same number of courses as in years past.
Assuming we go to one golfer per cart (which is what every other association I know of has done), we would need to accommodate twice as many golfers as normal. At a bear minimum one golfer per cart is the what I am sure every course and more importantly attorney has told the WA they need to do to protect themselves from a liability standpoint.
We may only have 2150 registered, the WA will need to accommodate 4300 “carts” which is almost a thousand more than in any recent year. Like I said before less golfers, the same number of courses, tee times and the fact these courses have already “booked” the times that week would lead me to believe it is too late to take a chance on locking the WA out to try to bring in regular play.
Bob based on what I have seen in other tournaments i have played in, I do not think there will be less courses used, I think we will use the same number of courses just less golfers per course to accommodate potential changes like:
– one golfer per cart
– tee times
– course management
– driving range availability
I think that while all of this is new I think we have to accept it is the new normal. Just because the number of cases spikes does not mean the country will shut down again. I think we all have to get use to the fact we have two choices;
1. Stay at home in isolation and minimize your contact with the outside world.
2. Live your life as normal with a few minor adjustments, (wear a mask – avoid large group of people without masks) and accept you have a one in a thousand chance of dying from a virus.
I believe when it is your time it is your time and how does not really matter. I love life and golf and plan to live and play until I am not ale to, I will take reasonable precautions but I am not going to lock myself in my house in isolation. I believe they will find a vaccine but as soon as they figure this one out another will pop up.
James the WA has used Golf Genius in the past, it sounds like the same app you are talking about. We have use GG in all Florida State Golf Association tournaments for the last couple of years and it works well provided you can get someone in each group to be responsible for entering scores.
When you are walking around the PGA Tour Superstore this year trying to figure out what you need or want for $20.00 take a look in the training tools section. They sell this as a training aid but I have used it hundreds of times at tournaments when I can not find any room on the putting green. It is probably the best $7.99 I have ever spent, it is definitely the most use I have ever gotten out of $7.99..
Paul you are correct, I used deaths, the hospitalization number is 113.6 per 100,000
Ages 65 years and older (321.8 per 100,000)
Ages 50-64 years (171.8 per 100,000)
Mike whatever flight a 7.4 puts me. My handicap keeps going up with my age and surgeries.Ah to be young again. I retired and spend most of my time taking care of our property, I had my day playing golf, I still enjoy playing but just don’t have the desire or time to play at a high level again.
Mike I personally feel your chances of contracting the virus are just as good at home or in some cases worse. I am playing golf regularly and I do not plan to live my life in a bubble, I wear a mask when I go out in public and I sanitize my hands after any contact outside of our home. I respect those people who feel threatened by any public activity but even if you contract it the hospitalization rate is 4.6 per 100,000 positive tests. So even if you get it you have a very good chance you might not even know you have it. The odds of making a hole in one are 12,500 to 1, the odds of requiring a hospital visit from the Covid virus are 20,000 to 1, so you have a far better chance of getting multiple hole in ones than you do contracting the virus and becoming seriously sick.
Considering everything going on and we are dealing with, I think 2,500 would be an amazing win for the WA