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Playing at a different time or group is a DQ PENALTY. surprised that the WA did not uphold that. Only reason I can think of is “if the pro authorized the change” as a committee member.
Good to hear Mike. I did great after my shoulder replacement but just as soon as I got back to playing solid the left knee went out. So I had it replaced and struggled with that recovery. Then in July 22, was diagnosed with a herniated disc and have dealt with “resting it”. Have not really played since July 12. Going to start testing it on the course next week. Getting old ain’t fun. Hopefully we both will be playing good in 5he near future. Take care
Billy, you are right. Every year some legit indexes do get caught. I do feel that number decreases every year. In recent years I have not played with any golfers that I thought were significantly better than me like in the earlier years. The issue actually starts at players home course where the pros let the members get by with not posting their low rounds. I have stopped playing in a monthly group because same people have “their best” round of the month in that event. Surprise to everyone.. I have elected(several more also) not to play in said group anymore.. i have enjoyed playing in the past and hope the WA continues to improve on their system
Mike, didn’t you and I chat a few years back about shoulder surgery…?
Billy, I know all the guidelines That the USGA suggest etc. the one I keep going to is a golfer should only best their handicap 3 times in 20 rounds. I know that the WA has more info than the USGA because of the number of golfers that participate. I asked Scott a few questions about players beating the odds and was very politely told that they didn’t share that info. And I fully expected that answer. But I also asked that I did hope that they shared that info with the USGA so that maybe that data could change how USGA comes up with their data. I think that th WA staff has come up with a system that is better than the USGA guidelines to control “their” tournament. Cause, everyone that posts all their scores are at a disadvantage when playing against those that do not posts. And if they told us their guidelines, anyone could figure out how to cheat the system.. I have not had many decent rounds the last couple years and I missed not playing last year. If I can find a reasonable game between now and signup closing, I might be back to see if I can beat that 3 in 20 rounds stat.
It is my understanding that if a score is posted the day you play it, GHIN automatically adjust said round to what the field played it that day. I sometimes do not post the same day but adjust the date and I get a “pop up” statement that I need to post the same day to get the adjusted.
Brian, not doubting you at all. I have been trying to figure out the system for years. I post all my scores and play by the rules, play it down and everything out. Have not had a decent round in about 2 years , so no need to not post them. I work a bunch of junior, amateur tournaments and I can recognize good golfers. I stopped playing in skins because recognized some that were there solely for the skins. Have competed with some that of I was on the top 4 and were paired with them, after 2 shots, I knew whatever I shot, they would beat me by one on the last hole.
I do think that the WA has cleared this up the last several years. Only way to eliminate cheaters odds play in the gross division.
Brian, once again you have to look at what his differentials were for the rounds. He could have been with in the range for the all of the rounds. You can’t just look at the net score. It boils down to what becomes abnormal rounds. If the slope of the courses are low, you can d shoot a low score and still be within your differentials for that would. At my home course, I elect the 5600++(126 slope) tees since a low round will not drop my handicap as much as the 136 slope 6100++ tees. All of this info is under the handicap section of the USGA website. I have noticed that a great deal of the players in different groups I play on are always having career rounds the one time a month they play in the group to win the $$$. I have also looked them up and they seldom post any good scores. Just my take on everything. Believe it or not, it is the nature of the beast. They are just following the guidelines of net tournaments.
Scott, differentials will get you every time especially when one does not post all your scores. I have looked at how much a low round seams to start with you forever, but at the sutra is looking at your potential. You have way more data than Ivan get, but I do think the new system is far better and this fairer.
Maybe some day, golfers will learn to post all their scores and this hinges on the local courses enforcement. Thanks for all you do for this tournament (and your staff).sorry I missed y’all this year. Tell Jeff hello for me. Still can’t play but if I get down, I’ll try to catch up with y’all.
What was His “net differential “for each round? Their is a”table “ they use to determine what your capabilities are for abnormal rounds and probably of shooting said scores. Keep in mind that out of 20 rounds you are only likely to shoot your handicap 3 times. (If your handicap is correct). Slope of each course also plays into the equation. Unfortunately, some can work around the system, others can’t. I have tried to figure out how to beat it and have given up. It seams to catch some and miss some. JMO
Guys, when I have seen this happen, it was done by the host club. I fully understand it not being feasible from the WA STAFF. Also I can fully understand them not wanting to put this in the hand of the pro.
Bill krimball— hope you have a great week.
I do not agree “everyone plays the same course” assessment for this event. Some of us sign up to play on what it is advertised to be, A GOLF TOURNAMENT. I don’t come to play as a vacation side trip, or a buddy trip to have fun. I come to play in a tournament and I expect better than average golf courses to play said tournament on. I have complained for the past 5 to 6 years about some of the courses I have played on. I know in March I was not going to be able to play this year due to health issues (turns out to be a Herinated Disc), so I didn’t really have to decide what to do about continuing to play. I think I’m going to miss playing in it but once you miss something, it’s easier to miss it a second time. For me, it has been just the l at 5/6 years, that this course issue has come up. Y’all have fun.
My. Wolf, are you implying you are the superintendent??
In my Opinion, the Host Course should be responsible for pace of play. When I first started playing on 2005, the Host courses had people riding the course SMS monitoring slow play. The big issue was putting 120 plus on the course. Over the years the courses have become increasingly slack on what they do. As for trusting the courses to tell you what shape they are in is NOT the way to find out. In the 45 years I have been coming to the area, I have been told “the course is on great shape” and by the second hole realized I had been took. This happened several times, until I learned to one’s to play , may have to pay a little more, but worth it. I fully understand the owners want to make money, but at least be truthful in the course condition s.
Rick, those are better than hollering “FIRETRUCK” ME
A Few other phrases to remember
1. I’m playing a Provisional (b4 you hit it)
2. when playing 2balls -BEFORE taking any action, DECLARE which Ball you want to Count if rules allow, and REPORT to Committee that you played 2 balls (even if score is same on both balls. DQ if you fail to report.