Tagged: Handicap movement
- September 1, 2022 at 3:52 pm #51503mark rileyParticipant
This year is the first year I have missed the world am in 21yrs due to an upcoming surgery. My cousin Ralph Sexton is playing in flight 11 and went into the day tied for 1st with 2 other guys. He shot a 77 for a net -2 on the day and +2 net overall. He received a call saying he wouldn’t be eligible for any prizes or the finals Friday. Apparently he shot too well for his score history. I have played with him weekly for the last 20 plus years and he is in no way a sandbagged. He has played the tournament for 20 yrs and never sniffed 1st place. He finally has a good tournament and has it ripped away. Did he finally decide he’s had enough losing and after 20yrs it’s time to cheat? Funny how a formula overrules any type of common sense. The tournament has just lost 2 20+ year participants. Why even try when you have guys that are top 5 every year and don’t get dq’d but somebody has the week of their life and they get screwed. Total joke of a tournamentSeptember 1, 2022 at 6:04 pm #51505Dean EdwardsParticipant
I feel your pain Been comeing to these events since the first one I got dq’d for having a good round too never waste my money on these events againSeptember 2, 2022 at 1:00 pm #51509
Trying to figure out how flight 4 leader moved on
but flight 3 leader is DQ’d yes it was my son but also
had my leader in flight 36 DQ’d on Wednesday can’t play
good golf when others play shitty we all can go back and say
“I should have done this or that” but the leaders did do this
and that I just don’t understand how I’m suppose to tee it up
and tell myself don’t play too good or you just wasted $600September 2, 2022 at 3:00 pm #51510Mike SigmonParticipant
So Andreas, what did he shoot to get D/QedSeptember 2, 2022 at 3:51 pm #51511
Mike he only had 3 days had a rain out 74/68 79/72 78/71September 2, 2022 at 5:46 pm #51512
What was His “net differential “for each round? Their is a”table “ they use to determine what your capabilities are for abnormal rounds and probably of shooting said scores. Keep in mind that out of 20 rounds you are only likely to shoot your handicap 3 times. (If your handicap is correct). Slope of each course also plays into the equation. Unfortunately, some can work around the system, others can’t. I have tried to figure out how to beat it and have given up. It seams to catch some and miss some. JMOSeptember 2, 2022 at 10:28 pm #51513Dean EdwardsParticipant
I’m just wondering in all how many people they did DQ definitely been playing in this since beginning but will never be backSeptember 4, 2022 at 9:12 am #51525Gary RobideauParticipant
They need a better system to account for a good series of rounds or rounds with lift, clean and place. I shot under LCP 103/87, rain out, 84/68 and 82/66. Started 45th and was tied for 12th after day 3. Arrive at convention center and posted on The Big screen tied for First in my flight. 5 minutes later I’m posted in Tenth place. I’m told I was adjusted and they deducted 3 shots for each day 90/71/69 for exceptional scores.September 4, 2022 at 10:46 am #51526Scott T. – World AmKeymaster
All – disqualification is a necessary evil here at the tournament. I hate it. But we stand by these difficult decisions which I will elaborate on what you’ve likely already been told.
Mark – Ralph’s index went from 9.1 to 6.5 – a ~40% improvement from his index entering the event. I’m not excited to hear we lose a participant for this decision. But it was not a computer, it was human common sense in protecting the field.
Dean – You were playing off our WA index which is just 2 scores we know about. Your own GHIN showed higher than that with a larger sample size. You had net differentials of -3 and -6.1. Your index when you post those scores will go from 18.9 to 17.2. I’m surprised it won’t drop more but it will be a somewhat more accurate reflection of your playing ability. Also your best WA score from 2021 is not posted to your GHIN. Another reason your index is not an accurate reflection of your ability. I respect and appreciate that you’ve played a long time. But we don’t look at how long someone has played when making these decisions, just the data.
Andy – David’s index went from 7.2 to 5.9 – a 20% improvement from his index entering the event. I also see a skins game result of a net differential of -3.8 which makes for four consecutive rounds at or below below his current handicap (Net differentials of -3.8, -4,1, 0, -1.5). The probability of such a result is one in 175,000 or 14 World Am’s worth of rounds by all players.
Gary – your index went from 19.2 to 17.6 – remember the handicap system does not care about your bad rounds. Only the good ones, which you had two in a three day stretch. Lift clean and place is not considered since it is meant to offset difficulties of a wet golf course not make it easier than if it was dry.
We’re all for getting better at golf. We want you to get better. Unfortunately with an established handicap, increases tend to be at a snails pace. With dramatic swings it becomes clear when you are not competing against your peers with the handicap established for the tournament.
If you want to speak privately again with us just give us a call at 1-800-833-8798.September 4, 2022 at 12:55 pm #51530
Scott I see you tell Dean Thanks for playing a long time but what I feel is being said, keep coming
and don’t tee it up and have that good week after all those shitty weeks years before. I also see a lot of
negative advertising coming from veterans I for one will not be talking about this event anymore to fellow
golfers. With that said thanks to you n your staff for their hard work.September 4, 2022 at 1:08 pm #51531
Scott, differentials will get you every time especially when one does not post all your scores. I have looked at how much a low round seams to start with you forever, but at the sutra is looking at your potential. You have way more data than Ivan get, but I do think the new system is far better and this fairer.
Maybe some day, golfers will learn to post all their scores and this hinges on the local courses enforcement. Thanks for all you do for this tournament (and your staff).sorry I missed y’all this year. Tell Jeff hello for me. Still can’t play but if I get down, I’ll try to catch up with y’all.September 4, 2022 at 5:40 pm #51533Brian MacFawnParticipant
Here is another disqualification joke: In one flight, the winner finished 11 strokes ahead of the 2nd place golfer. The explanation given was that he played within the handicap parameters. I question how the other 52 golfers were unable to do so with basically the same index. If course conditions kept the other 52 from being competitive, wouldn’t it seem unlikely that an equally capable golfer could far outperform the others?September 4, 2022 at 6:11 pm #51534
Brian, once again you have to look at what his differentials were for the rounds. He could have been with in the range for the all of the rounds. You can’t just look at the net score. It boils down to what becomes abnormal rounds. If the slope of the courses are low, you can d shoot a low score and still be within your differentials for that would. At my home course, I elect the 5600++(126 slope) tees since a low round will not drop my handicap as much as the 136 slope 6100++ tees. All of this info is under the handicap section of the USGA website. I have noticed that a great deal of the players in different groups I play on are always having career rounds the one time a month they play in the group to win the $$$. I have also looked them up and they seldom post any good scores. Just my take on everything. Believe it or not, it is the nature of the beast. They are just following the guidelines of net tournaments.September 4, 2022 at 6:57 pm #51535Brian MacFawnParticipant
Bob, thanks for your input. In my opinion, if ONE player is able to play within his handicap differentials with the course conditions we endured and none of the other 52 players were able to even come close, then something is amiss. Don’t get me wrong, I played poorly (manly due to soggy cart path only courses) and am only trying to make a point. My opinion does come from personal observation.September 4, 2022 at 7:15 pm #51536
Brian, not doubting you at all. I have been trying to figure out the system for years. I post all my scores and play by the rules, play it down and everything out. Have not had a decent round in about 2 years , so no need to not post them. I work a bunch of junior, amateur tournaments and I can recognize good golfers. I stopped playing in skins because recognized some that were there solely for the skins. Have competed with some that of I was on the top 4 and were paired with them, after 2 shots, I knew whatever I shot, they would beat me by one on the last hole.
I do think that the WA has cleared this up the last several years. Only way to eliminate cheaters odds play in the gross division.
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